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    Hadron Collider breakthrough as beams collide

    via http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science...ex.html?hpt=T2

    Arguably this could go in Technology, but given the gravity of this project, and the implications, it's probably going to get more notice in here.

    For those of you unaware of this thing, it's quite possibly one of the greatest scientific research projects ever conducted, and in terms of potential is unparalleled.


    Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider managed to make two proton beams collide at high energy Tuesday, marking a "new territory" in physics, according to CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research.

    The $10 billion research tool has been accelerating the beams since November in the LHC's 17-mile tunnel on the border of Switzerland and France.

    The beams have routinely been circulating at 3.5 TeV, or teraelectron volts, the highest energy achieved at the LHC so far, according to CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research.

    The first two attempts Tuesday failed, said Steve Myers, CERN's director for accelerators. He said the beams were lost before they reached their full energy.

    Experiments at the LHC may help answer fundamental questions such as why Albert Einstein's theory of relativity -- which describes the world on a large scale -- doesn't jibe with quantum mechanics, which deals with matter far too small to see.

    The collider may help scientists discover new properties of nature. The as-yet theoretical Higgs boson, also called "the God particle" in popular parlance, could emerge within two or three years, Myers said in November.

    Evidence of supersymmetry -- the idea that every particle has a "super partner" with similar properties in a quantum dimension (according to some physics theories, there are hidden dimensions in the universe) -- could crop up as early as 2010.

    The collider has been dogged by problems. It made headlines late last year when a bird apparently dropped a "bit of baguette" into the accelerator, making the machine shut down.

    The incident was similar in effect to a standard power cut, said spokeswoman Katie Yurkewicz. Had the machine been going, there would have been no damage, but beams would have been stopped until the machine could be cooled back down to operating temperatures, she said.

    The collider achieved its first full-circle beam in September 2008 amid much celebration. But just nine days later, the operation was set back when one of the 25,000 joints that connect magnets in the LHC came loose and the resulting current melted or burned some important components of the machine, Myers said.

    The faulty joint has a cross-section of a mere two-thirds of an inch by two-thirds of an inch.

    Should Tuesday's experiment go as planned and scientists are able to establish 7 TeV collisions, the plan is to run them continuously for 18 to 24 months with a short technical stop at the end of 2010, CERN said.

    "It will be the beginning of a long period of running the accelerator with beams at this energy," Sutton said. "It's the period in which experiments will really start to collect data in this new energy region, where the potential for discoveries may be made."

    Sutton compared the experiments to Christopher Columbus sailing for the New World in 1492, when he knew what he was looking for but didn't know what he might find.

    "It's going into a new energy region," she said. "It's a new territory in particle physics, so we're really just standing on the threshold of that, which is exciting for everybody here, of course."
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    You did put this in CE, moo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AED View Post
    You did put this in CE, moo.
    Dyslexia, and thanks
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    So they collided and there's no black hole....why am I not surprised? or was it not at full power?

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    I wish I understood this better, simply because it sounds pretty fucking awesome. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost View Post
    I wish I understood this better, simply because it sounds pretty fucking awesome. lol
    I read somewhere awhile back when the last super Collider at CERN was made that this is sort of like driving two TV's around in the dark really fast and letting them collide with each other; and then looking at the aftermath in the dark to see what's left over and decipher what the Universe (TV) is made of.

    In essence the super Collider at CERN now should open up a new chapter in physics and raw science; it's not hard to necessarily understand, but the math behind it to explain the results; well that's another story.
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    I really hope this makes for a massive breakthrough, especially as I'm getting into Metaphysics really in depth soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo Strength View Post
    I read somewhere awhile back when the last super Collider at CERN was made that this is sort of like driving two TV's around in the dark really fast and letting them collide with each other; and then looking at the aftermath in the dark to see what's left over and decipher what the Universe (TV) is made of.

    In essence the super Collider at CERN now should open up a new chapter in physics and raw science; it's not hard to necessarily understand, but the math behind it to explain the results; well that's another story.
    If I had a TV I could drive around in the dark, I'd never come home.

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    Yeah it's basically trying to recreate the big bang in a controlled environment so that they can examine the particles created after the collision occurs. Neat stuff.

    There was some speculation that the process could possibly create 'mini' black holes, but I guess that didn't happen...

    Will be interesting in the coming days and weeks to see what becomes of the data.

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    Did anyone watch the video on cnn's website? The scientist explaining the fuckups sounds like a fucking cartoon scientist, its awesome haha.

    I would also argue that the theory around this device/project is also pretty difficult to understand after reading that, math aside.
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    This is awesome...

    Just wish that I understood it all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagga-Viagra View Post
    Yeah it's basically trying to recreate the big bang in a controlled environment so that they can examine the particles created after the collision occurs. Neat stuff.

    There was some speculation that the process could possibly create 'mini' black holes, but I guess that didn't happen...

    Will be interesting in the coming days and weeks to see what becomes of the data.
    Pretty sure every collision creates mini blackholes. They only exist for fractions of a second though then are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antrax View Post
    Pretty sure every collision creates mini blackholes. They only exist for fractions of a second though then are gone.
    The problem with that theory is that once a black hole is created, it's self sustaining considering that a black hole is supposed to consume any mass; from what I've understood of how the theory goes for a black hole at least... I've never read anything in New Scientist or the like that theorized that black holes created wouldn't be able to sustain itself, where did you read this?
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    that was the proposed outcome when the debate first came up moo. I don't know exact sources, but I know that numerous scientists theorized that the blackholes would be so minuscule that they'd dissipate before they had a chance to start growing.

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    Yup, we're bombarded by them daily and they mostly instantly "evaporate"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo Strength View Post
    The problem with that theory is that once a black hole is created, it's self sustaining considering that a black hole is supposed to consume any mass; from what I've understood of how the theory goes for a black hole at least... I've never read anything in New Scientist or the like that theorized that black holes created wouldn't be able to sustain itself, where did you read this?
    The energy required to sustain them is less than the energy dissipated and they zero out, pretty much.

    My best guess anyway.

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    Yea I remember reading that now, good post.

    This too was worth a read...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_...adron_Collider
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    It all just sounds like witchcraft to me...

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