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    China's first aircraft carrier sets sail.

    China will be the next U.S. in the sense of superpower, although I don't think the world will come to them when all their avenues have been exhausted. Such as helping them with wars (before we were such a corrupt, greedy, oil addicted nation) because China will probably just tell them to fuck off. I think it's about time to move out of the U.S. before the nuclear holocaust comes.

    China's first aircraft carrier has begun its inaugural sea trial, a mission that underscores Beijing's naval ambitions and raises concern about its military influence in regional territorial disputes.

    The carrier left Dalian port in northeast Liaoning province early on Wednesday, the stae-run Xinhua news agency reported. It was unclear how long the trial would last, with one expert claiming it could be as short as one hour.

    China has been rebuilding the roughly 300-metre-long, Soviet-built craft for almost a decade.

    "Its symbolic significance outweighs its practical significance," Ni Lexiong, an expert on Chinese maritime
    policy at the Shanghai University of Political Science and Law, told the Reuters news agency.

    "We're already a maritime power, and so we need an appropriate force, whether that's aircraft carriers or battleships, just like the United States or the British Empire did."

    The show of force by China had already begun to make regional waves on Wednesday. Taiwan, in a preview for its defence exhibition, displayed its advanced Hsiung Feng III missile in front of a billboard depicting a missile-riddled aircraft carrier with the words "aircraft carrier killer" written above. Taiwan has previously deployed the missile on frigates but has never advertised it as an anti-carrier weapon.

    New battle group planned

    China has been investing heavily in the modernization of its military for more than a decade. The government plans to build at least two of its own aircraft carriers, military sources have said.

    Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo told the China Economic Weekly this week that new carriers, already under construction, "will form a very strong battle group ... but the construction and functional demands of an aircraft carrier are extremely complex".

    Some defence experts believe China plans to build up to four carriers, with preparations at a Shanghai shipyard underway.

    China will need around 10 years to build and deploy the support vessels and aircraft neede to form a full carrier strike group, Ashley Townshend, of the Lowy Institute for International Policy in Sydney, told Reuters.

    Floating casino becomes warship

    China acquisition of the carrier at auction in the late 1990s was carried out under opaque circumstances.

    The ship, originally named the Varyag, was commissioned by Moscow in the late 1980s. When the Soviet Union dissolved, the Varyag was transferred to Ukraine but without engines, weapons, a rudder or much of its electronics.

    Ukraine put the craft up for auction in 1998, and the successful bidder was the Chong Lot Travel Agency, a small, Hong Kong-based company with ties to China's military and naval industry.

    The new owners said the ship would be used as a floating casino in Macau, and the Chinese government maintained that claim even after Macau denied Chong Lot a casino license and said the Varyag could not dock in its port.

    After a journey of more than 28,000km from the Black Sea, and around the Cape of Good Hope, the Varyag docked in Dalian, not Macau. In June, China officially acknowledged it was building an aircraft carrier.

    Carriers make region jumpy

    In the past year, China has seen a flare-up in territorial spats with Japan, the Philippines and Vietnam and had its relations strained with South Korea, all of which have sought support from Washington, long the
    pre-eminent naval power in the Pacific.

    Nearby naval powers India and Thailand already have own their own aircraft carriers. The United States has 11.

    Japan seems particularly concerned; China's defence budget has increased by 70 per cent over the past five years, while Japan's has shrunk by roughly 3 per cent.

    Xinhua said refitting and test work would continue on the carrier when it returns from its short sea trial.

    The Xinhua report did not say how long the sea trial would last, although a statement on the website of the Liaoning Maritime Safety Authority said "all vessels will be barred from entering'' a small section of the sea
    off Dalian for roughly five days.

    There had been earlier online reports in China that the test was set to start last weekend, but it may have been delayed by a tropical storm that swept through the area.
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    China will take over the world. They have too much money to spend on whatever they want.
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    As with most US vs. China articles - this is a sensationalist article. China may have just launched their first aircraft carrier and that may be big news in that China joins the list of nations with operating aircraft carriers but the United States has 11 aircraft carriers each with a construction cost roughly around 4.5 billion dollars adjusted for inflation and each an annual operating cost of roughly 400 million dollars.

    There will not be an all out direct war between China and the US. There will not be a nuclear apocalypse.

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    i'm surprised we only have 11 carriers. i thought the number would have been more like 20. considering china isn't going to want to influence as wide an area as the US, i think they'll be able to throw even more weight around in the pacific pretty soon. i think a new fleet of carriers could really complicate things especially with Taiwan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragnarok View Post
    i'm surprised we only have 11 carriers. i thought the number would have been more like 20. considering china isn't going to want to influence as wide an area as the US, i think they'll be able to throw even more weight around in the pacific pretty soon. i think a new fleet of carriers could really complicate things especially with Taiwan.
    It's not just building a carrier, you need to build a whole support fleet around each carrier.

    This carrier is just for show and so they can threaten us when we push our carriers between them and japan

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    aircraft carriers are getting dated. the tech exists today to sink one with just a well placed missile below the water line, besides the usual torpedo variety
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    Quote Originally Posted by Off_Chance View Post
    aircraft carriers are getting dated. the tech exists today to sink one with just a well placed missile below the water line, besides the usual torpedo variety
    Sure, if an enemy can get one of those off and make it count. But then again, that's why we have so many of them. Retaliation from even one of those things is a biiiittch


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    Quote Originally Posted by Appendage View Post
    As with most US vs. China articles - this is a sensationalist article. China may have just launched their first aircraft carrier and that may be big news in that China joins the list of nations with operating aircraft carriers but the United States has 11 aircraft carriers each with a construction cost roughly around 4.5 billion dollars adjusted for inflation and each an annual operating cost of roughly 400 million dollars.

    There will not be an all out direct war between China and the US. There will not be a nuclear apocalypse.
    and we're knee shit in debt building all of them. that's not power, that's stupidity.
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    Isn't the time for world domination almost over? Now, it's just about overthrowing you corrupt government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jawshee View Post
    Isn't the time for world domination almost over? Now, it's just about overthrowing you corrupt government.
    I had to get in just to agree with you.. its time to set off the Apocalypse fuck governments and patriotism it's never solved anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo77 View Post
    and we're knee shit in debt building all of them. that's not power, that's stupidity.
    No were not. Our debt right now is not from building air craft carriers.

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    It's ONE craft. Not so scary.
    Also, it's a rebuilt carrier from the Soviet-era... and we all know how well their technology tended to work.

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    So the Chinese needed to rebuild a Russian aircraft carrier to do something the US did by themselves in the 20s? And its not even nuclear... why are we worried again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coudos View Post
    So the Chinese needed to rebuild a Russian aircraft carrier to do something the US did by themselves in the 20s? And its not even nuclear... why are we worried again?
    nah, the U.S. isn't worried at all on a strategic level. this carrier will probably be only a threat to the local power domains of Taiwan, Vietnam & Philippines claims around the South China Sea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irishhammer View Post
    No were not. Our debt right now is not from building air craft carriers.
    Yea you're right. We are knee deep in debt from social services like providing for social security, senior's prescription drugs, and paying governmental employees like you police officers too much.

    BUILD MORE CARRIERS I SAYS.

    CONTINUE TO CUT SOCIAL SERVICES AND ALSO PAY POLICE LESS I SAYS.

    Sounds like a good plan to me?
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    People in this thread talking about possible conflicts between China, and the US... I think that we are to closely relate as trading partners to ever get in to war. A good way for China to commit economic suicide would be to mess with the US

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    Complex interdependence means that it's costly for both sides to mess with the other, so by the same token, it's harder for us to get China to do what we want, like with human rights, properly valuing the yuan, or telling its programmers to stop hacking the US government or major corporations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appendage View Post
    Yea you're right. We are knee deep in debt from social services like providing for social security, senior's prescription drugs, and paying governmental employees like you police officers too much.

    BUILD MORE CARRIERS I SAYS.

    CONTINUE TO CUT SOCIAL SERVICES AND ALSO PAY POLICE LESS I SAYS.

    Sounds like a good plan to me?
    Not at all where I was going with that man, take a deep breath. My only point was that of the all the things that are contributing to our debt crisis, the carriers we have in service (one of which I believe was built in the 60's if the Constellation is still in service) are not a the first thing that's tanking our economy.

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