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    "Support the Troops".... this is such a load of brainwashed bullshit. This popular catch phrase is our government's fix to the public's backlash in Vietnam. People mindlessly regurgitate it to one another but do absolutely nothing to actually support the troops. Despite that, this is just a clever way for our government to make it taboo for us to disagree with anything our troops might be ordered to do and therefor anything that our government might tell them to do.

    That was off topic but I needed to get it off my chest.

    First, I want to point out that the republican controlled house passed this thing so obviously the Senator's comments don't ring true throughout the party. Secondly, the Senator has a point. Why should ex-military get free health care for life? I think that the government should fix any and all issues that a soldier may have obtained during his/her stint in the military, be it a physical injury or a mental one, even if it means that they are treated until the day they die. The government should also offer free health care to anyone whom is active duty. However, afterward, after discharge, after their contract has been fulfilled by both the soldier and the government, they should have to take care of themselves. Why should tax payers have to pay for a doctor to stitch up a guy that has been out of the military for twenty years just because he got drunk and picked a fight with a guy who whooped his ass? It's an old, pre-recession mentality that we can't and probably never could really afford.

    In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm a veteran and have access to the very same free healthcare that I mentioned. I don't use it. Why? The VA is too damned far away, the parking is horrendous, the wait times are terrible, and the hospital is rundown but those aren't the only reasons; I don't feel like I, a quasi-healthy man, really deserve to use up resources that should be used for those whom have actually been injured on the battlefield. Corny? Stupid? Yea I know but it's my personal philosophy. Anything less would be hypocritical.

    Just remember, the troops, vetted both mentally and physically prior to enlistment, chose this path in life. In return we were given a door into college, a damned good tick mark on a resume, VA home loans, and experiences that, while good and bad, define us for the rest of our life. The government doesn't owe me anything. I don't feel like I should be entitled to a plethora of government handouts for the rest of my days just because I chose to earn my right to vote.

    Regardless of my personal view on the subject, the economics don't pan out. Roughly $50,000,000,000 a year goes towards VA health care costs. That's a lot of money. There are a multitude of other ways that cash could be reappropriated: the national debt, highway construction, schools, disease research, and so on. We, as a nation, need to get away from this "the government owes me shit" mentality. That goes for troops, school teachers, firefighters, police officers, and anyone else that feels like the government owes them some kind of special treatment for doing the thing that THEY choose to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guts View Post
    "Support the Troops".... this is such a load of brainwashed bullshit. This popular catch phrase is our government's fix to the public's backlash in Vietnam. People mindlessly regurgitate it to one another but do absolutely nothing to actually support the troops. Despite that, this is just a clever way for our government to make it taboo for us to disagree with anything our troops might be ordered to do and therefor anything that our government might tell them to do.

    That was off topic but I needed to get it off my chest.

    First, I want to point out that the republican controlled house passed this thing so obviously the Senator's comments don't ring true throughout the party. Secondly, the Senator has a point. Why should ex-military get free health care for life? I think that the government should fix any and all issues that a soldier may have obtained during his/her stint in the military, be it a physical injury or a mental one, even if it means that they are treated until the day they die. The government should also offer free health care to anyone whom is active duty. However, afterward, after discharge, after their contract has been fulfilled by both the soldier and the government, they should have to take care of themselves. Why should tax payers have to pay for a doctor to stitch up a guy that has been out of the military for twenty years just because he got drunk and picked a fight with a guy who whooped his ass? It's an old, pre-recession mentality that we can't and probably never could really afford.

    In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm a veteran and have access to the very same free healthcare that I mentioned. I don't use it. Why? The VA is too damned far away, the parking is horrendous, the wait times are terrible, and the hospital is rundown but those aren't the only reasons; I don't feel like I, a quasi-healthy man, really deserve to use up resources that should be used for those whom have actually been injured on the battlefield. Corny? Stupid? Yea I know but it's my personal philosophy. Anything less would be hypocritical.

    Just remember, the troops, vetted both mentally and physically prior to enlistment, chose this path in life. In return we were given a door into college, a damned good tick mark on a resume, VA home loans, and experiences that, while good and bad, define us for the rest of our life. The government doesn't owe me anything. I don't feel like I should be entitled to a plethora of government handouts for the rest of my days just because I chose to earn my right to vote.

    Regardless of my personal view on the subject, the economics don't pan out. Roughly $50,000,000,000 a year goes towards VA health care costs. That's a lot of money. There are a multitude of other ways that cash could be reappropriated: the national debt, highway construction, schools, disease research, and so on. We, as a nation, need to get away from this "the government owes me shit" mentality. That goes for troops, school teachers, firefighters, police officers, and anyone else that feels like the government owes them some kind of special treatment for doing the thing that THEY choose to do.
    Nicely put - good thoughts here.

    MY thoughts - the Republican congress member was not saying we can't or shouldn't afford to care for those who served. He was saying the current system as designed is not workable or affordable. The "goal achievement method" needs to be addressed, not the goal itself.

    That's the thing about partisan rhetoric, neither party actually wants people to suffer, they just disagree with how to go about helping them. The R's think it should be something on the privatized end of the spectrum and the D's think it should be something on the socialized end of the spectrum. Using the current state of the VA as an example, I'd say the socialized end of the spectrum is the less preferred option, at least right now.
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