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    Quote Originally Posted by Esquamulose View Post
    None of this means that the old man won't catch charges, though.

    And its CA PC 31

    31. All persons concerned in the commission of a crime, whether it
    be felony or misdemeanor, and whether they directly commit the act
    constituting the offense
    , or aid and abet in its commission, or, not
    being present, have advised and encouraged its commission, and all
    persons counseling, advising, or encouraging children under the age
    of fourteen years, or persons who are mentally incapacitated, to
    commit any crime, or who, by fraud, contrivance, or force, occasion
    the drunkenness of another for the purpose of causing him to commit
    any crime, or who, by threats, menaces, command, or coercion, compel
    another to commit any crime, are principals in any crime so
    committed.


    Basically there's no such thing as an accomplice. An accomplice is a principal.
    Thank you for quoting the law. But how is what I said not accurate? I gave everyone the information they needed to know in 2 sentences. It took you two paragraphs to say what I already explained above.

    And I never said they won't charge the old man with murder, they just haven't yet, therefore not any knew news on that.

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    New knew news

    As for the old man, pretty sure the DA is still looking into it.

    He just got pissy you used the word accomplice and went blind with rage
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    hehehehe
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    I mean last I checked accomplice was still a word
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMS [AP] View Post
    I mean last I checked accomplice was still a word
    It totally is, and you used it correctly. Jaye just likes influencing arguments to fight the points he likes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GMS [AP] View Post
    Thank you for quoting the law. But how is what I said not accurate? I gave everyone the information they needed to know in 2 sentences. It took you two paragraphs to say what I already explained above.

    And I never said they won't charge the old man with murder, they just haven't yet, therefore not any knew news on that.
    Quote Originally Posted by GMS [AP] View Post
    I mean last I checked accomplice was still a word
    You're both a bunch of salty cunts, I never said you were wrong, I posted the actual law that you were referencing should anyone want to see the legal speak regarding it.

    I mentioned the geezer might still catch charges because people might assume that since someone has been charged with murder (see: not him) he won't catch charges.

    But yeah, freak the fuck out over supplemental information you whiny cunts

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    so there is such thing as an accomplice


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    I do appreciate you posting the law. It's escaping me at the moment. whats it called? Isn't there a short hand version of the charge, Or do they just charge him with felony murder?

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    Manslaughter?


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    If the old man would have shot the women INSIDE the house, I think the shooting would have been justified solely because he could still be in imminent danger. Shooting the woman as she was fleeing down an alley in the back ? Guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shlong Connery View Post
    If the old man would have shot the women INSIDE the house, I think the shooting would have been justified solely because he could still be in imminent danger. Shooting the woman as she was fleeing down an alley in the back ? Guilty.
    well if he shot her in the back, twice, inside. it still might be a problem. In essence he wasn't in danger, if they were fleeing.

    transversly if he shot her in the face as she was attacking him outside in the alley, that probably also would not be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hilux View Post
    so there is such thing as an accomplice
    Not in California there isn't.

    30. The parties to crimes are classified as:
    1. Principals; and,
    2. Accessories.




    31. All persons concerned in the commission of a crime, whether it
    be felony or misdemeanor, and whether they directly commit the act
    constituting the offense, or aid and abet in its commission, or, not
    being present, have advised and encouraged its commission, and all
    persons counseling, advising, or encouraging children under the age
    of fourteen years, or persons who are mentally incapacitated, to
    commit any crime, or who, by fraud, contrivance, or force, occasion
    the drunkenness of another for the purpose of causing him to commit
    any crime, or who, by threats, menaces, command, or coercion, compel
    another to commit any crime, are principals in any crime so
    committed.



    32. Every person who, after a felony has been committed, harbors,
    conceals or aids a principal in such felony, with the intent that
    said principal may avoid or escape from arrest, trial, conviction or
    punishment, having knowledge that said principal has committed such
    felony or has been charged with such felony or convicted thereof, is
    an accessory to such felony.

    Accomplice is a word with the dictionary definition of someone who helps another commit a crime. California recognizes someone who helps another commit a crime as a principal, same as the one committing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GMS [AP] View Post
    I do appreciate you posting the law. It's escaping me at the moment. whats it called? Isn't there a short hand version of the charge, Or do they just charge him with felony murder?
    What's what called? What the old man could catch? I have no idea. He won't get 1st. He could get 2nd degree or manslaughter, honestly he opened himself up to the chance of 2nd degree based off the shit he said afterwards imo, "I was sending a message" etc. I've also read that he shot the lady once in the back, she THEN begged him not to kill her while injured and bleeding, and he shot her again. If that proves to be true, this dude is fucked beyond belief and he'd deserve every bit of it.

    For the crooks? First degree probably. Burglary + Robbery are listed under the specific 1st degree felonies.

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    so someone can be an accomplice and a principal, got it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hilux View Post
    so someone can be an accomplice and a principal, got it.
    There is no such thing as being charged as an accomplice, so no. You can't.

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    who said anything about being charged as an accomplice?


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    Where did I argue against the usage of the word accomplice other than to specify and provide clarity regarding the laws, which apparently you have sand in your vagina about?

    I give clarity. You go into misguided twat mode.

    What have you added to this thread, other than futile attempts to create argument regarding semantics?

    Go back to spam.

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    so the guy was an accomplice, and being charged as a principal to the robbery and the murder.

    as for the old man i wonder if they will give him manslaughter, he'd only get what? 2-4 years tops?


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    If it holds true that he shot her once, she begged him not to kill her as she was injured and bleeding, and then shot her again, theres no way he doesn't get 2nd degree murder-- imo in that case, malice was present.

    I'm not sure that he can make the argument that it was heat of passion or during a sudden quarrel if that's the case. Even if it isn't it'll be hard to argue that when he chased them, clearly had the upper hand at that point, and shot her in the back

    I think voluntary manslaughter is 3-11 years, involuntary is 2-4 but he showed pretty clear he had intent to kill so i doubt he'd get involuntary. it certainly wasn't an accident


    I still think this guy bragging to the media about what he did and why he did it will bite him in the ass

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    I still wouldn't be surprised if the DA felt "sorry" for him to be involved in this situation anyway, and only try him for the bare min that he has too


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